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Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006, 07:18 pm
The Internet broke my childhood
Damn you, thirteen-year-old girls! Daaaamn yoooou! Last night, I have mostly been watching The Two Doctors with J. Great emphasis is placed on the symbiotic nuclei, necessary for Time Travel to occur, being a fundamental part of a Time Lord's genetic structure. The Sontarans[0] seek the power of time travel without the need for symbiotic nuclei, and to this end force Six to fix the Kartz-Reimer Transference Module[1] and send Peri[2] through it as a test subject. It works, and Six puts on that smug look that only he can do so well and says And she certainly doesn't have any symbiotic nuclei in her, I can assure you . After all this time hanging around in the Tardis together, with no one else for company? Admirable self-restraint there from the sartorially-challenged one. I had to pause playback while I snerked. Sometimes I think I spend too much time on Livejournal. The snerking led on to a discussion of Quantum Fetish Mechanics, during which Jehane and I must have inadvertently poisoned vast swathes of cyberspace. (Jamie/Dastari slash, anyone?) Sorry about that. ~ The Two Doctors is a vaguely fun location romp with a number of elements that could have been interesting, if they weren't a) so hamfistedly done and b) hung off a plot structure specifically designed as prime-time vegetarian propaganda. It's not even good propaganda or reasoned propaganda[3]. And the violence and gore towards the end is completely unnecessary to the plot, but is presumably justified by a stance consisting of some of the people in this story are horrible nasty people; just look what they do to the poor chickens . ***ASIDE*** Any of you ever seen a chicken? Nasty beaks and cruel, hard eyes and a constant faintly disapproving look, like Lady Bracknell sucking on a lemon. I once had to let the hens out when I was staying at my then-girlfriend's house in Gairlochy. They come out of the coop in single file like rubber ones on a conveyor belt. I had to run away across the field, vault the gate into the mud and ended up slipping halfway down the Great Glen. I can tolerate chickens in a white wine and cream sauce or when draped with bacon (bacon is like Kryptonite to chickens). Somebody else is going to have to get the eggs in my post-apocalyptic commune. ***END CARNIVOROUS ASIDE*** Most commentators on Doctor Who have nothing but gushing praise for Robert Holmes, but personally I don't think I'll ever forgive him for this story. Good to see Troughton again, even if he did deserve much better. And I think I like Six. -- [0] Possibly the only Doctor Who monster that looked worse and worse each successive time they were shown. [1] Don't worry. You don't need to know what that means. [2] Peri's the one with the annoying voice. No, wait, that doesn't narrow it down much. Peri's the one with the annoying voice and the boobs. [3] The bad guys eat meat. Therefore, we shall be vegetarian from now on. With logic like that, it's no wonder Nine was uncomfortable being referred to as Spock.[4] [4] Speaking of which, thank all the deities that we get to see Nine having a steak in `Boom Town'. That almost made the episode worthwhile.
Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 07:16 pm (UTC)
![[info]](http://l-stat.livejournal.com/img/userinfo.gif) miss_s_b
I think I like SixHurrah! I'm not a big fan of The Two Doctors as a story either, but I can forgive it pretty much everything for the many long and loving shots of Colin's fantastic yellow-clad buttocks. I'm shallow that way. The vegetarian propaganda doesn't bother me at all, I have to say. But then, I'm an ex-veggie, so it brings up warm nostalgic feelings. A fair number of it's shortcomings are attributable to the fact that Robert Holmes spent a long time and a lot of research getting it spot on, with lots of location injokes, to be set in New Orleans. And then had about two weeks to change it all for locating in Spain, randomly. Another bunch of shortcomings are attributable to the director. And the fact that it's a good half hour too long. But still... buttocks! Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 09:47 pm (UTC)
gominokouhai
> Hurrah!Not in that way, you perverse Internet Person of Indeterminate Gender. Why can't we have more long and loving shots of Peri running in slow-motion, that's what I want to know. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
miss_s_b
* determines gender * See the icon? that's me, that is! Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 09:57 pm (UTC)
gominokouhai
You had to check first? I was just about to friend you, but now it looks like I'm only doing so because you're a girl. So now I shall have to wait a decorous interval before doing so. (You went to Hull voluntarily? And escaped afterwards? Well done.) Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 10:00 pm (UTC)
miss_s_b
LOL well if it makes you feel any better I'm not an AVAILABLE girl. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 10:32 pm (UTC)
gominokouhai
Well, that makes it all right then. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 07:33 pm (UTC)
scarfman
Actually The Two Doctors is my favorite Doctor Who story of all time. You know, I didn't even notice that the Doctor ate a steak in Boomtown. Possibly because the supposed vegetarian message of The Two Doctors never registered on me until there was online fandom and I asked people why they thought the Doctor was a vegetarian. Fri, Nov. 28th, 2008 10:30 am (UTC)
robling_t
And was about to tuck into the roast beast in the Empty Child, so I think we can safely say that they've quietly nipped out back and shot that idea humanely... Fri, Nov. 28th, 2008 11:07 am (UTC)
gominokouhai
Yeah, that's one bit of established canon that I'm not sorry to miss. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 07:44 pm (UTC)
kickair8p
It suffered from being relocated to Seville, so all the New Orleans-appropriate jokes had to be dumped (with the exception of the Columbus comment, which could stay since he's buried in Seville). I understand the, aside from the annoying vegitarian agenda, the novelization (the only one Holmes did) hangs together a lot better. I've ordered the book, because my JackMuse stumbled over my Dolcett-fangirl roots one day and dumped an idea into my head for a Ten/Jack/Rose fic involving an old friend of Jack's who's an Androgum chef. ::sigh:: ~ Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 08:24 pm (UTC)
neohippie
I like chickens, but then again, maybe I've just met some nice ones. It probably depends on the breed. Like saying "I hate dogs because I saw this mean little yappy terrier one time." The chickens I've seen all had some personality (which is impressive for small-brained critters like them), and were really sweet. And they are mighty tasty. Then again, I have worked out my personal moral cognative dissonance about eating animals that are cute and intelligent and good creatures in their own right. Except factory farming opens up new issues. I'd rather my food not be tortured first, thanks. Which is why one of these days I want to raise my own chickens. Then I can ensure they have lovely little chickeny lives running around in my yard eating bugs and doing whatever makes chickens happy...until I eat them. Mmm, happy animals taste better. Oh, but I haven't seen the Two Doctors. But I have heard that it's just crack and you can't take it too seriously. Which I think all multi-Doctor stories are like, to the point that I barely regard them as even being canon. They're more like just filmed fanfic, and cracky fanfic at that. So I will watch it some day just to see Jamie in color, and maybe Colin's yellow arse that I keep hearing about. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC)
gominokouhai
> I'd rather my food not be tortured first, thanksAbsolutely agree—aside from everything else, it tastes better. Fresh eggs Every Single Morning is something to live for. > But I have heard that it's just crack and you can't take it too seriouslyMore or less: it's a fun romp, the basic premise of which is the provision of fanservice (in the same manner as `Attack of the Cybermen' or, to a lesser extent, `Resurrection of the Daleks'). But it's when Who got self-indulgent and self-referential like that that the ratings started to slide, and it was a major cause of its cancellation at the time. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 11:02 pm (UTC)
spudtater
The RSPCA now do a "Freedom Food" mark which guarantees a reasonable standard of care of the animals. I'm starting to see it more and more. It's a good thing. Still can't afford that sort of thing, though. 8^P Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 09:51 pm (UTC)
spudtater
If you hadn't mentioned the steak, I would have pegged The Doctor as a vegetarian. Although not a rabid preachy one, of course. It just seems to fit his character. That said, the steak in Boom Town was an excellent touch. "Not only am I going to calmly chat with you after essentially condemning you to death, but I'm going to eat steak while doing so. Mwahahahahaha! See me not care!" (I'm sure gominokouhai is now plotting my demise, for a) suggesting that one of his heroes might not eat meat, and b) complimenting a Russell T. Davies script.) Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 09:54 pm (UTC)
gominokouhai
Six, after this, was a rabid preachy veggie. Then by the time of Seven it all got largely forgotten about. I do (vaguely) recall the main character of the show being described in various media as a mysterious vegetarian alien being or similar, despite Seven never being seen eating or referring to food at all, which is why I was so glad they fixed this in `Boom Town'. > I'm sure [info]gominokouhai is now plotting my demise, for[...] I need a reason now? You know too much. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 09:58 pm (UTC)
stormsearch
(I'm sure gominokouhai is now plotting my demise, for ... b) complimenting a Russell T. Davies script.)Oh, I don't know. It had good steak in it. In fact, it had steak eaten in an offensive manner in it. It is well known that eating steak at someone is one of the few things (including garlic butter, in my opinion) that can make an excellent steak even better. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 10:31 pm (UTC)
spudtater
I like a good black peppercorn sauce myself... although scattergather-style "salt, and only salt" is also an appealling option. *sigh*... the sheer burden of important steak-related decisions such as this one weigh heavily on me. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 10:33 pm (UTC)
gominokouhai
Don't restrict yourself to black peppercorns. Once you go green, you never go... back. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 10:38 pm (UTC)
stormsearch
I think pink peppercorn sauce, with a little cream as the base, could be exquisite. Exquisite enough for me to eat it on steak. Perhaps this could be tested if you were provided with the active ingredients? Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 10:37 pm (UTC)
stormsearch
I'm very unsure about the "salt, and only salt" option. But then garlic butter is somewhat salty, so perhaps I would like it. I am deeply suspicious of sauces such as Diane, which I'm quite convinced are only there to mask the steaky taste of the steak. I'll allow that peppercorn sauce, if done correctly, can be complimentary, but I'm sure the same is not true of other varieties of sauce. Although I expect gominokouhai can expand upon the validity of this point. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 11:08 pm (UTC)
spudtater
All the supermarket "steak sauce" things are heresy, because the vinegariness kills the taste of the steak. I'm sure the same thing applies to the lemon juice and worcestershire sauce in Diane sauce, although I haven't tasted it myself. I'd also avoid anything tomato-based. Cream-based sauces are generally nice, though. Mmmm steak. Should go to bed soon... Mon, Oct. 9th, 2006 09:07 am (UTC)
galaxy_girl00
I really liked satay sauce that peckhams did with my steak. Creamy sauces are fabby with steak also. we must somehow get you some steak from that place in switzerland with the cow hide menus *drools* Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 10:47 pm (UTC)
gominokouhai
Oh oh oh and also. Go. To. The. Green Door. (While it's still open, because their business model won't last the winter.) Get the cracked black pepper fillet. It is the size of my fist. And a glass of milk. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 10:57 pm (UTC)
sushigal007
Ah, I like the Two Doctors. Purely because it has Jamie and Two and bondage. Gotta say I totally missed the veggie message. Oh well. Sun, Oct. 8th, 2006 11:19 pm (UTC)
the_terrible
Peri's the sexy one with nice boobs. Yeah. :D I rather enjoyed The Two Doctors --more for Troughton than anything else-- but I agree it's a flawed story. Still, don't hurt Mr. Holmes too much for it; he wrote it under pressure and with a lot of restrictions, and Mr. Holmes himself often said he wrote poorly when he was forced to write within too many restrictions. Had they let him do what he really wanted to do with the story, it likely would have been much better. Mon, Oct. 9th, 2006 03:13 am (UTC)
coaldustcanary
Somebody else is going to have to get the eggs in my post-apocalyptic commune.I thought we'd already established that I would care for the assorted livestock because I know how to make things out of their insides and their outsides? As it happens, I like farm animals, but even I know that chickens are tools of the dark forces at work in Creation. Unless crispy-fried or simmering in a green Thai curry. re: Doctor Who stuff, I have finally finished downloading every Troughton episode ever, including all the reconstructed bits. (It only took a month of solid torrenting, yeesh.) I'll start watching them soon. From what I have been told I think I might enjoy him quite a bit. Mon, Oct. 9th, 2006 03:19 am (UTC)
gominokouhai
> I have finally finished downloading every Troughton episode ever, including all the reconstructed bits. (It only took a month of solid torrenting, yeesh.)Burn them to DVD and send them the fuck over here. Sneakernet will be much faster than any feeble attempts I might make to download same (especially since I'm in the process of torrenting the entirety of Robin of Sherwood). You will so very much enjoy the mighty Trout. SO. MUCH. While you're at it: go get the new BBC version. Mindless, but but so very pretty---there will be a post on this shortly, I suspect. Mon, Oct. 9th, 2006 03:38 am (UTC)
coaldustcanary
especially since I'm in the process of torrenting the entirety of Robin of SherwoodWherewherewhere?!? Every torrent I've ever attempted of RoS has died before it hit 1%... Mmm, eyecandy Robin Hood. I think I can handle that. I'll happily burn you the Troughton DVDs in any case. Let me watch a few and make sure they're functional and all, as I've not yet had time, but I can do that. Mon, Oct. 9th, 2006 03:45 am (UTC)
gominokouhai
Well, yesterday you could have gone to isohunt, searched for ``robin hood'', and selected the torrent file for ``Robin of Sherwood (COMPLETE)''. Today there are a dozen images of the new BBC version cluttering up the first page. So you should do it anyway. Torrentflux tells me I am currenly at 58.7% (and I already own the soundtrack on CD). Maybe we should trade sneakernets? Tue, Oct. 10th, 2006 02:41 am (UTC)
coaldustcanary
I think the idea of trading is a fantastic one, to be perfectly honest, because my computer is full at the moment and it will take me some time to burn all of my overflowing Who collection and get it the hell off of my hard drive. (I also now have several of One's eps, a good chunk of Four, and almost all of Five and Six and a bit of Seven. I am sadly lacking in Pertwee, however.) I wouldn't mind the soundtrack, either, because my copy of Legend is god knows where. It might not have survived the past 14 years, I dunno. Also, just from flipping around through the downloaded episodes, I rather like Troughton-Doctor already. And Jamie. Oh, Jamie. *patpat* Tue, Oct. 10th, 2006 02:47 am (UTC)
gominokouhai
> And Jamie. Oh, Jamie.Easy, girl. I saw him first in Emmerdale Farm (which is what it was still called in those days) as a middle-aged man who was invariably driving a Landrover. Hershey bars and data in exchange for Jaffa Cakes and data. An equitable exchange. Get more Seven. And speak to me again once you've seen Paradise Towers, Dragonfire, Battlefield, Remembrance, Fenric and Survival. (That's two evenings if you're dedicated. I shall give you a week or two.) Tue, Oct. 10th, 2006 04:04 am (UTC)
coaldustcanary
...it wasn't that sort of "Oh, Jamie." He rather makes me cringe, albeit in a likeable sort of way. Maybe, "Ahhh, Jamie". Or even, "Oh dear, Jamie." Tue, Oct. 10th, 2006 04:15 am (UTC)
gominokouhai
Heheh. You sound like Two. |